January 20, 2004

Money To The Rich

When liberals talk about the Bush tax cuts, we often refer to them as Bush's reward for rich people. When I do so, I do feel a twinge, because even I like to hold out that someone who we'd choose as leader isn't blatantly pandering. Surely Bush himself doesn't see it that way... does he?

"Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" - G.W.Bush
"Stick to principle. Stick to principle." - Karl Rove
"We won the midterm elections, this is our due." - Dick Cheney
So, here we have it as clear as can be. They do look at it as tossing dollars to the wealthy. They are as cynical as you feared to imagine. And they have a sense that they are due something, at a cost that will be paid by our children, they feel it is politically important to pass on the dollars to those who put them in power. A return on investment. looked at this way, even someone as science-focused as I am starts to see Bush's recent proclamation regarding manned space exploration as a bone being thrown his aerospace industry supporters. [Source: IVINS: New Bushisms For A New Year]

Posted by James at January 20, 2004 5:39 PM
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Not rich? Have you paid your Bush Tax yet?

Here's the Massachusetts page.

Posted by: Bil at January 20, 2004 8:15 PM

You might want to read the nonpartisan report from which that partisan website draws its conclusions.


For example, what this report details as nearly a third of what fiscal policies are costing the state is the inability of states to tax internet sales. Between you and me I've no interest in generating state revenue on eBay, and I suspect you don't either.

That's not the "Bush Tax".

Beware of partisan websites, they're often misleading, even when it's your own party.

I will close by adding that I believe Bush is a slimy twisted little sleazeball and I live for the day he's booted out of the whitehouse. I do believe we'll be paying for his mistakes for a long time, but it always pays to be circumspect.

Posted by: Chuck S. at January 21, 2004 10:40 AM

Cheney and his idiot friends don't seem to realize that their own children, and their childrens' children, will also be paying for it. Or maybe they just don't care. Which makes all their "strong families" rhetoric even more ironic.

Posted by: julie at January 21, 2004 10:51 AM

Why do we elect rich people again?

Posted by: Mike at January 21, 2004 11:31 AM

Was this one "elected" at all?

Posted by: julie at January 21, 2004 11:56 AM

Why shouldn't taxes be paid on internet transactions again??? I fail to see why they are any different than normal sales. I am 100% FOR treating internet sales like any other purchase. Your point of it's not necessarily the Bush Tax just illustrates my point. State revenue is down (somewhat due to loss of sales taxes from the internet), and federal taxs are down therefore cities and towns get less aid to builsd, schools, fix roads, plow roads, pay police, etc. therfore your property tax goes up (far more than I saved in federal and state taxes btw).

As they say the only things certain in life are death and taxes. The only thing that can be changed is who does the paying and how much they pay.

Posted by: B.O.B. (bob) at January 21, 2004 12:36 PM

An internet sales tax is no big deal. I think the original reason for the moratorium is over. People are now comfortable with buying and selling over the internet.

Chuck raises an interesting question, however. What about eBay? Hobbyists use it to buy and sell, and I've even used it to dump a CD I didn't want, or an old video game. Some of these used items go for so little on eBay's half.com that it's almost not worth the trouble selling them. If I had to keep track and collect taxes, that would be a major ass pain.

Is there a social benefit to eBay that would be negated if all these folks were paying taxes on transactions? Actually, I think there is some benefit. A lot of what I see on eBay is about reuse. If I can get a coupld of bucks for a lousy XMen cartoon pilot instead of throwing it away because I need the space, and it is worth somethign to someone else... that's one less videotape gone straight to the landfill. Re-use slows down needless production (perhaps the XMen tape isn't the best example).

Discouraging that would be a bad thing. So I would want to see protection for some types of transactions.

Posted by: James at January 21, 2004 12:55 PM

Agreed - that is, I'm okay with paying sales tax when buying from an out-of-state business (which is not limited to the Internet; mail order works the same way).

Most eBay users are individuals who are not running businesses, and they already paid the sales tax on the items they are selling. eBay is more like a yard sale, and yard sales aren't taxed (yet).

We see re-use as a good thing. Not sure the government and its corporate sponsors would agree, though. :-)

Posted by: julie at January 21, 2004 2:38 PM

It's "corporate masters." :)

I agree. But can you imagine Bush trying to push through an eBay tax?

Funny to think about.

Posted by: James at January 21, 2004 2:46 PM

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