March 4, 2004

ATI Rage 128 Pro Sucks

I finally have my Dell working again, by replacing my Rage 128 Pro with a Leadtek WinFast A360 Ultra TDH card. The full name is LeadTek WinFast A360 NVIDIA GeForce4 FX 5700 Ultra GPU AGP 8X

Don’t you just love the names they give video cards? It’s like some obsessive techie version of Tourette’s syndrome where the manufacturers blurt out little acronyms and numbers.

The important thing is, my computer is functional again. I can look at more than 16 colors!!! So, do I need games to go with this?

Posted by James at March 4, 2004 2:15 PM
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I (stupidly) bought an ATI card when I built my current computer, but I also bought an Abit mobo with a built-in NVIDIA accelerator chipset. Suffice to say they didn't get along, it was the most infuriating month as I tried everything to play nice, eventually just dumping the ATI and stealing my girlfriend's gforce card.

Posted by: Bil at March 5, 2004 3:03 AM

My girlfriend uses a Mac, so I couldn't do that. Wait, so does my wife! Wait, they're the same person! Wait, this is a lame joke!

Posted by: James at March 5, 2004 9:29 AM

Ah... oops. You would have had to disable the onboard video in the BIOS.

You did try that didn't you?

Posted by: stefan at March 8, 2004 12:16 AM

I didn't try that, but the card previously worked in this machine. Would reinstalling Windows alter my BIOS? I don't think the BIOS changed.

If you're right, that means this card isn't useless. And that's good news. If I ever build a machine, I'll give this card another chance.

I would have eventually wanted a new video card anyhow. Thanks for the post. No one I asked had suggested that possibility.

Posted by: James at March 8, 2004 2:10 PM

Gee, you replaces a Rage 128 with an 8x NVIDIA GeForce4. Why not at least compare apples and oranges for a fair comparison.

I mean, we are talking about a 2x AGP card with 16 megs ram after all. State of the art when it first came out, but dated now. You might as well say "The Voodoo card sucks!" Well, it does now, but not when it came out.

Before deciding ATI sucks, why not give it a fair comparison, like a Radeon 9600 or 9800, which would be comperable to the GeForce4? Or just step back, and put a 1st generation GeForce card in and compare THAT to the ATI.

*shakes his head at people who stack info to get the results they desire*

Posted by: Mushroom at April 3, 2004 1:51 PM

I wasn't trying to give it a fair comparison. In fact, I wasn't comparing it at all. And I didn't say ATI sucks.

I was reacting out of frustration that I can't get the goddamn thing to work with my installation of Win2K because of driver issues. You think I wanted to spend the cash on a new video card? The card worked fine until I had to resintall Win2K.

Microsoft can take a lot of the blame here, for forcing me into the latest version of ActiveX, but ATI needs better legacy support if their cards are only going ot work for a few years unitl you can't get the software THAT MAKES THEM WORK.

So, maybe what you're telling me is that it's only ATI's support that sucks.

If you like the card so much, you can have it for $30. I'll ship it to you when the money appears in my paypal account. Otherwise, quitchabitchin' (as my friend Chuck would say). :)

Posted by: James at April 3, 2004 2:33 PM

Somebody please help me with some plain old language information.
I have a Dell computer with an ATI Rage 128 Pro Ultra video card. Lately it seems as though none of the newer games i attempt to play will run, They all seem to be arguing that my video card drivers need to be updated, The problem is that when I go to the ATI site to try to attempt this, the ULTRA is not listed anywgere. Will the PRO "family" drivers work?
Is this a complicated evdeaver for a puter novice? Should I attempt it? Is it worth trying?
If someone could please e-mail me andlet me know what they think, I would be very appreciative.
Please e-mail me at rm1mimke@hotmail.com

Thanks,
Mike

Posted by: Mike at August 14, 2004 7:45 PM

This is one of the reasons I got rid of that card. I now have an nVidia.

Good luck--I wish I could help you.

Posted by: James at August 14, 2004 9:21 PM

James may not have said ATI sucks but I will. I just spent a boat load of money getting my computer transformed into a Half-Life 2 worthy machine. A 2.8 ghz processor, a gig of RAM, I even got a new hard drive so that I would have room for these fancy shmancy new games that are coming out.

Oh yeah I almost forgot. Since I know little about hardware I depended on advice from the store salesman about what card to get. He said a Radeon 9800 pro with 256 Megs (or Pegs or Sallys) was the "most bang for the buck" (A phrase I heard repeated by the technician when he was trying to find out why my video card kept crashing. I wonder if ATI gives a dollar to everyone that says that their cards give "more bang for the buck"?)

Well after having the computer back in several times (it always works just long enough to fool the technicians and then freezes) including once to have my new hard drive wiped with everything that I had transfered over from the old one deleted, after I fooled around with the ATI settings, after new drivers, a new Catalyst control center, even fooling around with the bios settings (half the people I ask told me I had to try that and half of them told me never to try that), after even (God help me) changing my default email program to MS Outlook so I could enable the VPU recovery doodad to send error reports to ATI (which I have been taking great pleasure in doing over and over again - I know they don't really go anywhere but it will cost them a tiny bit of electricity and bandwidth to delete them), after all that I get to play my video games for 100 seconds if I am really luck. After that I either have to use task manager to close the game or reboot entirely.

On Monday I will be invoking the warranty. Maybe it was a defective card. Maybe the technicians from the store left a blob of pizza sauce in the slot. Maybe ATI is a quality maker of quality products but I saw no proof of that and I think the more likely hypothesis is that ATI sucks.

I will be using the money I get back to help purchase a fancy new Nvidia sumthinruder. And maybe ATI and other companies should give some thought to building some diagnostic processes into their software. A card telling me repeatedly that it is crashing and it is going to tell the company for me does nothing to let me know what I should do.

PS ATI sucks.

Posted by: Mad ATI owner at October 3, 2004 3:06 AM

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