The story did not say that the antiwar protest was exponentially larger than the pro-war demonstration. The headline and photo display exacerbated the problem.As the title of my post indicates, my problem with this paragraph is the use of the phrase "exponentially larger." I'm trying to understand what she means by using this phrase.
| y = xn | ||
|---|---|---|
| Exponent (n) | Group A Size (x) | Group B Size (y) |
| 1 | 100 | 100 |
| 10 | 100 | 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| .5 | 100 | 10 |
| 0 | 100 | 1 |

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Totally off-topic waring: I didn't realize Barry's blog title was a Traffic song. What a great band that was.
Sorry for the tangent!
Posted by: Patti M. at September 25, 2007 1:09 PMThis post makes my brain hurt.
Posted by: Keri at September 25, 2007 1:10 PMThat graph does not have any fish.
Using fish to explain exponentiality (or exponentialism) is required, I believe.
Posted by: Derek at September 25, 2007 1:21 PMNor does it reference pirates so it cannot be true.
I think the misuse of exponential stems from the use(misuse?) of the term exponential growth. Generally that term is probably used correctly more often than not Then people who don't kow better drop the growth and use exponential for something else.
Posted by: B.O.B. (bob) at September 25, 2007 1:35 PMThe misuse of "exponential" made my brain hurt. A wicked lot.
Posted by: James at September 25, 2007 1:45 PMI think they probably were looking for "order of magnitude" which is much more precise.
Posted by: briwei at September 25, 2007 1:53 PMIf you are going to mention pirates, you must also mention ham.
Thanks to this post, I figured out how to get the Microsquish calculator to show in scientific rather than standard format. Yay!
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Based on the crowd counts there was an order of magnitude difference between the groups.
However, we can still only guess at what she meant.
Order of magnitude comparisons give you a good sense of scale. I hope "exponentially larger" doesn't catch on and supplant "order(s) of magnitude."
Posted by: James at September 25, 2007 3:11 PMYeah, I noticed it too but it didn't bother me. I guess this is why:
I figured that {1, 10, 100, 1000, ...} is a geometric series. Calling that an "exponential series" is fine with me. Then saying that an entry in the series is "exponentially larger" than one before it isn't too much of a stretch.
In the end, I suppose that I didn't think it was "right", but I thought it was better than what we usually get from media people who try these things. "An order of magnitude larger" would have been better. But I knew what she meant, and I just didn't think it was that bad.
[P.S. Thanks for the love. And to Patti, yes... ahhhh, Traffic. Did you read my first post, then, or did you find that it's a song title somewhere else?]
Posted by: Barry Leiba at September 25, 2007 5:28 PMDoc, Off on something completely different. I could use you and your readers help. Papamoka Straight Talk has been nominated for an award for besst political blog and I need votes.
It's called Bloggers Choice Awards and I have the link in the side bar on the site. I appreciate you and your readers help!
Blog on my friend...
Posted by: Papamoka at September 25, 2007 6:21 PMI can easily believe your explanation, Barry (BTW, I think it's a sequence or a progression, not a series, unless you are going to sum the terms) where it applies to you. However, I still have a few rather large problems with it. One small problem is that I'm not sure all readers are applying the same knowledge of mathematics you are when they read the articles in the WaPo. I could be wrong, but I'd bet not. More worrying to me:
It creates a new meaning for "exponential" when "exponential" already means something else *and* there already are terms for what she's talking about. Not only "order of magnitude" but also, as you mention, the idea of a geometric progression with a ratio of 10. Even though such a progression does grow exponentially.
Nany aspects of our world are best understood as exponential phenomena. Mislead people about that and it only makes it harder to understand exponentiality. It's already something that people have some trouble with.
Hijacking "exponential" to mean "big" reinforces a specific misunderstanding that confounds half of the uses of exponentiality: exponential decay. A cooling curve is exponential, but nothing is getting bigger. Exponential is much more about proportionality -- rate of change being proportional to the value at any given point -- than it is about "getting bigger" or even "getting bigger or smaller by a lot."
And while, as I said before, I certainly believe you made the leap of understanding, I think it is in spite of the language rather than because of. You can't even make a geometric sequence with two data points. By definition such a sequence requires three values, since it is defined by the ratios of successive terms. You can't compare ratios if you only have one.
I can argue this all day. But the short version is that the phrase implies a nonexistent relationship, and I'm against turning it into American English shorthand because it is both superfluous and ultimately misleading.
I do applaud the piece in general, though. I'm glad they saw fit to correct their earlier reporting, which was more misleading than my mathematical nit. However, you'd already done a fine job covering that aspect.
Posted by: James at September 25, 2007 7:56 PMI've traded mathematical nits for a handful of grammar disasters. Talk about being unclear! Please excuse.
Posted by: James at September 25, 2007 7:58 PMBarry, when I saw James's post in which he wrote "Yesterday, I saw that Barry of Staring at Empty Pages referenced a story..." I said to myself, "Hmm. That's a Traffic song. I wonder if that's what he means by calling his blog that."
It's funny. Just the other day, an XM channel was playing "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" and I remarked to Bob that I never liked the light, poppy stuff Steve Windwood did after Traffic.
Posted by: Patti M. at September 26, 2007 8:17 AM