October 29, 2008

Talk Me Down -- Venn Diagrams

(I like the idea of the "Talk Me Down" segment on Rachel Maddow's show, where she has guests come in and try to talk her down about various worrying subjects. Since this blog is basically my stress therapy, I am going to start borrowing that idea, and ask you, my readers to talk me down.)

My head exploded last night when I saw my daughter's study guide for social studies. She's got a test today.

For the sake of argument, let's say it's about natural resources in WallyWorld and Dizzyland. Here is what the workbook gave her for the Venn diagram for resources in the two areas of WallyWorld and Dizzyland:

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it isn't called a Venn diagram in the book, but it certainly uses the form. This is not how Venn diagrams (aka. set diagrams) are supposed to work!!!

The overlap area is supposed to contain things present in both sets. But the non-overlap areas are supposed to contain things that are not shared.

So if I see "iron ore" under WallyWorld, I shouldn't also see it in the overlap area and in Dizzyland. In fact, a proper Venn diagram, as I understand it, should only have elements appearing once anywhere on the graph. The location tells you what sets that element is a member of.

This diagram is useless if I want to quickly know what is only in WallyWorld. My daughter is confused by this diagram. I was confused when I first tried to quiz her on it. I had to read the entire diagram and think about it before I could form a question. One mark of a very bad diagram is that you have to take in the whole diagram before coming to any sort of conclusions. Among other things, diagrams are supposed to help you understand information by breaking it down, not force you to consume it all in one bite.

The only thing I can think of is that this diagram makes it easy to ask the questions: "What does WallyWorld have?" and "What does Dizzyland have?" and "What do they both have?" because if you're only going to ask those questions, you can just read the answers off the sections. Try answering "What does WallyWorld have that Dizzyland doesn't?"

But I still object to my daughter being taught incorrect math diagramming by her social studies book!

Before I flip my lid, will somebody please talk me down?

Posted by James at October 29, 2008 9:37 AM
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Not sure if I can. Perhaps you should rename the segment "Amp Me Up" because I agree with you. This is ridiculous. The diagram is worse than useless because it muddies what was previously a well-defined concept. You should take the diagram to her math teacher and transfer your rant.

Posted by: briwei at October 29, 2008 10:32 AM

Actually, James made the diagram clearer than the original. In the original, the item on the left is a continent, the item on the right is a country, part of which is contained on the continent on the left. So if it were "Kissimmee," and then "Dizzyland," that's more like what we were looking at.

We need to be talked down, because this f-ing teacher had the nerve to tell us at the beginning of the year that she gave the kids a hard test to "teach them a lesson." She wants them to learn that Middle School is hard. Yeah, it's hard b1tch, when you're giving "study guides" that make no frackin' sense. This is the second "study guide" that's come home that's made me blow my top. The first was one M filled out herself that had incorrect information (she claimed the teacher provided it, I don't know if I believe that), but the teacher never checked it! So I have a child believing that gravity is related to "mass" and "weight." You have no idea how hard it was to get that notion out of her head!!


GRRRRRRRRR. I really need a talk down!!

Posted by: Maggie at October 29, 2008 10:39 AM

Kids can figure out on their own that middle school is hard. The teacher's there to teach them something else.

There's an additional lesson, too - "don't believe everything you read. Even if you read it in a textbook." :-(

I agree with Bri that you should take this up with the math teacher. It might interest the teacher to know that the students are getting incorrect math information in another class.

Posted by: Julie at October 29, 2008 10:51 AM

Believe me, we're taking this up with the teachers. But we'd like to be a little more calm before we approach them.

Posted by: James at October 29, 2008 12:17 PM

Ok, even I know this is wrong.

Who is the publisher? You should feel free to call the publishing house and discuss. I'm serious. This was not an uncommon occurrence when I worked for Houghton Mifflin.

Posted by: Patti M. at October 29, 2008 8:17 PM

I think it was Pearson.

Posted by: James at October 29, 2008 9:49 PM

It was Pearson. What a piece of crap. That's a good idea, Patti.

Posted by: Maggie at October 29, 2008 10:16 PM

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